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Searching for numbers on minifig cape boxes?

tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
edited January 11 in The Database
Hi all,

from my collection I generally never open the capes for minfigs.
Now I have a few I do not know which set they are from, but how can you search for these?

Each cardbox box has a number printed on it, which afaik relates to the capes style and colour, but searching for this number gives me nothing (here nor on bricklink or anywhere else for that matter).

How can I find out which set(s) these are from, or to which minifig(s) they belong or were used on? And are there any plans to include this in your database at any point? I think it should be ;)


Picture included to explain what I mean

Comments

  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,849
    The problem is the number refers to the package rather than the contents. Whereas parts databases (here, BL, etc) refer to the parts. Some of the numbers are on BL but not many.
  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    edited January 12
    CCC said:
    The problem is the number refers to the package rather than the contents.
    So the number on the cardboard box is not the element ID for the cape inside it, but it can clearly be used to identify the content inside as the packaging id is clearly unique for the content.

    An example would be this link on bricklink (additional notes)

    So why wouldn't it make sense to list the box id with the id of the content? How else will one identify it? Lego surely uses this also, how else would they know what's in the box?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,849
    tecjam said:
    CCC said:
    The problem is the number refers to the package rather than the contents.
    So the number on the cardboard box is not the element ID for the cape inside it, but it can clearly be used to identify the content inside as the packaging id is clearly unique for the content.


    There might be more than one cape inside it. But yes, lego use the ID to identify what is inside. But lego (through replacement parts) do not identify it this way in the set contents, so it doesn't going into the brickset database, and BL don't inventory capes inside boxes, they inventory individual capes. However, the information sometimes gets added as notes as you noted.

    tecjam said:

    So why wouldn't it make sense to list the box id with the id of the content? How else will one identify it? Lego surely uses this also, how else would they know what's in the box?
    Lego obviously know what is inside each box, but don't publically list it. BL doesn't use it as a single cape can be found in multiple numbered boxes (Batman's regular black cape for example can be found alone in a box, or with other capes depending on who else is in the set). The other way of identifying what is inside is to open the box.



  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    edited January 12
    Ok, so what you are saying is .... These codes will not be used anywhere on BrickSet (not even in comments).

    So unless somebody adds the box codes to an item on BrickLink or any other Lego site there is no way of finding out which cape is in the box and which set it's from (or which minifig it's for) unless I open it and even then I will not be able to find out exactly but from the colour and material used I can hazard a guess?

    That's not much help =(

    How hard would it be to add an extra textfield where these codes can be added to a set?
  • caterham7caterham7 UkMember Posts: 259
    edited January 12

    How about posting the codes you don't know on here and seeing if anyone can help identify which set they've come from?

    And any idea in general what themes they are likely to be from, saves someone with loads of LOTR looking through if you only collect Super Heroes?

  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    @caterham7 I'll get them together when I get the chance and post them in the indentify parts thread with a rough selection of themes they could be from.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,849
    tecjam said:

    How hard would it be to add an extra textfield where these codes can be added to a set?
    Then it becomes a crowdsourcing issue (expecting users to add the data) rather than a data import (from lego's sevrer) issue. I guess Huw would also need to decide how to hold that data, whether as an extra, as part of an inventory, etc.

  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    CCC said:

    Then it becomes a crowdsourcing issue (expecting users to add the data) rather than a data import (from lego's sevrer) issue. I guess Huw would also need to decide how to hold that data, whether as an extra, as part of an inventory, etc.

    Maybe @Huw could take a look and decide if this a valid feature request to stop vague and wild guess work.
  • caterham7caterham7 UkMember Posts: 259
    edited January 12
    Thinking out loud to see if there's any pattern to numbers;

    6002415 79012 - reuse of a cape from an earlier set?
    6008142 9473
    6038371 79006
    6040331 79008
    6062960 79014 (I think!)
    6062961 79013
    6103366 76035
    6119516 Scooby mystery mansion
    6134290 70316
    6142663 75103

    Best I can deduce is that the codes increase in roughly date order, but if a cape is reused, the code will be too.  No particular theme has any prefix to help identify it.


  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,849
    6151458 - Batman, Rescue from Ra's al Ghul (4 capes).

  • HuwHuw Brickset Towers, Hampshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 5,797
    I would say that this information is so niche and of little interest to most that it would not be worth the effort implementing anything to gather and display it. Sorry!
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