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71042 Pirates of the Caribbean D2C

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  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    richo said:
    I doubt you'll get this set at 50%. I honestly think it's great, don't get the moaning. What else do people want?, the 9th incarnation of a generic pirate ship, or yet another X-wing. 


    I can only speak for myself of course, but the set is ugly. I think that may account for a lot of the moaning. I realize that not everyone feels that way, but to ignore that the set is a bit on the ugly side is probably deceiving ones self. To put it simply, most people want stuff that looks attractive, not ugly!

    What do people want? Ideally, I would have liked a set commensurate in scale with the Imperial Flagship #10210, with a little more flare. They could have charged $300, $400, I really wouldn't have cared as long as it were cool-looking.

    CaptainPirateManmustang69
  • yys4uyys4u USA SoCalMember Posts: 1,092
    I dont particularly like the set but I will buy it as a die hard lego pirate ship fan. But when i heard rumors this was to be the ship I lost excitement cause after seeing the second trailer and seeing the ship in action I knew it wouldnt make a good set. And you guys are crazy if you think you'll get it at 50% off

    gmonkey76
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 1,710
    weird feeling on this one. disappoiting because of the imcomplete hull, but it's still one of the most impressive models of the fair. at least it has a big body, even though it's made of holes.
  • Jern92Jern92 MalaysiaMember Posts: 508
    Absolutely love this! I like the fact that they didn't go with the typical ship set, of which there has been MANY reiterations throughout the history of Lego. Also the fact that it looks absolutely breathtakingly gorgeous and will look great with my Haunted House.
    Legogramricecake
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,200
    TRU had the Sandcrawler at 40% off. If anyone thinks this set will sell better than that one, they are the crazy ones. 40-50% is absolutely possible for this one. Time will tell, but I don't care if it does or not. The only way I'll be buying it is on steep discount. I don't think it is a poorly designed set, I just think it will have limited appeal.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,860
    edited February 20
    Think @MAGNINOMINISUMBRA summed it up well. The designer built what he was supposed to, the large new ship from the upcoming film. Can't really blame him or Lego if fans got their hopes up and set their expectations for something else, based purely off speculation. 

    I probably shan't buy it as it's not my type of model (large scale display vehicle) though I will probably source some of the minifigs from ebay/BL. Or I'll buy it then just keep the figs and offload the parts. 
    I agree with this. I'm not going to be buying it, as I have no interest in PotC. I would have probably bought a decent normal ship, but if this is what is in the film, this is what the set should look like. After all, if it is the only proper set from the movie, they should at least do it right. I think it looks pretty good, and accurate to the movie trailer. If I was into the film I'd probably buy it (but wait for at least 33% off).

    It is a shame they are not doing smaller support sets, they have always been great for greys and browns and tans. Even for non-fans of the franchise.
    catwrangler
  • AdzbadboyAdzbadboy London, UKMember Posts: 2,481
    It's a pass from me, the model doesn't look too exciting although I have full respect for Marcos' work and hope this product does well with others. Nevertheless those Minifigures look fantastic, although when arn't the Minifigures amazing.
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 1,710
    would there be much point in smaller sets? I think the main appeal of pirate themes are the ships and they are usually the biggest sets.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 4,245
    For licences themes it's a little bit different- minifigs and additional locations are generally a bit of a selling point.

    in the case of POTC I think it's had it's day a bit, it's possible that this film will refresh the franchise and the next film could see a full wave but I doubt it.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 7,837
    I doubt it as well.  I'm also starting to doubt we'll see any Harry Potter in the future - unless there is a reboot of the original series.

    Again, deferring to the Lego marketing machine, there appears to be a much larger market for SuperHero Girls, Friends, Ninjago and Nexo Knights.  (Or even Angry Birds and Scooby-Doo.)  

    Is it bad I am also beginning to doubt we'll see the traditional Castle, Pirate and Space themes anytime in the future as well.
    Pitfall69pharmjod
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,554
    I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind. :|
    SumoLegoPitfall69pharmjod
  • OdeinoichusOdeinoichus CanadaMember Posts: 130

    The previous few return to Space themes not related to a licensed figure seem to have done fairly decently, but they did also hang around a lot longer for Galaxy Squad and Alien Conquest almost seemed to be reduced in numbers since it wasn't around that long and vanished relatively quickly.

    I think the days of Castle, Pirates and Space may be all but extinct in this modern era of Licensed, Licensed and more Licensed as well as LEGOs big IPs like Ninjago, Nexo Knights and all the mini-doll lines.

    I'm amazed City is still such a strong contender, there was a time in the early 2000's that City wasn't as fresh or as numerous, LEGO City at Toy's-R-Us has an entire wall dedicated it, but that wasn't always the case.

    catwrangler
  • madejp86madejp86 IllinoisMember Posts: 161
    This set could have some potential to MOC it into a regular hull ship :D
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 216
    edited February 21
    I think Pirates might see a return, this new POTC ship proves that people LOVE Lego Pirate Ships. Lego just needs to reconsider their tactics with it. What I mean is, people want SHIPS, not 1 ship and forts. I honestly believe if Lego released a NEW (blue coats or red coats) ship in par with the IFS as the "Flagship" set. A new pirate ship on par with TBB or something similiar, a small pirate fort set, a small imperial fort and a battle pack that it would do pretty well. Not as well as Pirates did in the 80s or 90s, but surely better than Angry Birds or Scooby Do, plus Lego doesn't have to pay for the IP.

    The problem with the 2015 wave wasthey made the Pirate Ship the "Flagship" set. I really like TBB, but Lego NEEDS to make a ship that size the 2nd best set, not the best. They also need to look past the fort sets. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE fort sets, but let's be honest here, people want SHIPS from pirates, not forts. 2 small fort sets (pirates and imperial) is all you need, make the SHIPS the focus. 1 ship per wave is simply NOT good enough. 
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 216
    I have read SO many comments (on here, Eurobricks, FB, YT, etc) and there is a demand for more Lego Pirate ships, but for whatever reason Lego isn't seeing this. 

    Are most kids going recieve a $200 Imperial ship for Christmas, etc? No. But they WILL get the $100 pirate ship, along with the forts. The adults, and LUCKY kids will get the big ship. Which Lego clearly likes to make sets for this audience, hence the GB firehouse, Disney castle, UCS SW sets, etc. 
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,731
    I think Pirates might see a return, this new POTC ship proves that people LOVE Lego Pirate Ships.
    I don't think it proves anything. It's simply the latest case of LEGO licensing an expected-blockbuster Disney IP. If The Lone Ranger had been more successful, we might be talking about a train instead of a ship.
    CM4SstluxShibLostInTranslationdougts
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,108
    edited February 21
    I think Pirates 2015 was a flop. 

    Thats just how things are now. It's not the 80s anymore. Kids don't like pirates as much. I would not expect another try for a few years.
    stluxDedgeckodougts
  • blogzillyblogzilly Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 597
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 1,369
    CM4S said:
    I think Pirates 2015 was a flop. 

    Thats just how things are now. It's not the 80s anymore. Kids don't like pirates as much. I would not expect another try for a few years.
    100% agree. I still regularly encounter #70413 The Brick Bounty in large quantities in shops, in fact as recently as yesterday.

    There might be a lot of nostalgia for Pirates, with this and other forums acting as an echo chamber. Actual demand from the hordes of kids that are TGL's main customers: not so much it seems.
  • OdeinoichusOdeinoichus CanadaMember Posts: 130
    Yes, even the Air Pirates from Ninjago are still in abundance everywhere, I don't think that sub-theme was as well received as others, even though it was Ninjago.
  • ARo2891ARo2891 MAMember Posts: 113
    stlux said:

    There might be a lot of nostalgia for Pirates, with this and other forums acting as an echo chamber. Actual demand from the hordes of kids that are TGL's main customers: not so much it seems.
    This right here!  We, on these forums, represent a minority in the Lego community!
    Jern92
  • Addicted2OxygenAddicted2Oxygen Walking the plankMember Posts: 107
    Hence why large D2C 'UCS' style sets make sense. 

    Oh. Look what they made.....
  • bandit778bandit778 Docking Bay 94. Member Posts: 1,471
    Not a big fan of 'ships' in general and was always more into space themed sets than any other (still am to be fair) but I must admit that I really like the look of this set.
    It's different enough to be interesting to non pirates fans and the build looks like it could be a lot of fun.
    This might sound weird but it's one of those sets that, in my head at least, I can picture it being placed in a roaring sea of lego plates to show it off at it's best.
    As a side note, I also really liked the Sea Cow because it was totally different, but missed out on it as it was in my early days of collecting and have been kicking myself ever since.
    I will not be making the same mistake again. 
    stlux
  • monkyby87monkyby87 Member Posts: 203
    binaryeye said:
    I think Pirates might see a return, this new POTC ship proves that people LOVE Lego Pirate Ships.
    I don't think it proves anything. It's simply the latest case of LEGO licensing an expected-blockbuster Disney IP. If The Lone Ranger had been more successful, we might be talking about a train instead of a ship.


    I don't think there's nearly the demand we (meaning small few collectors) think there is.  I love Pirate Ships.  I would by up every one that was made if Lego made them.  But not everyone would.  A majority wouldn't actually I suspect.  Pirates, Space, Castle and the like were all popular back in the day because that's all Lego had.  With licensed sets, you don't hardly have to advertise the sets and you know there will be an automatic fan base.  Pirates just isn't as popular anymore.  Lego knows this, and their recent outing not performing well confirmed this. 

    I know we all would like to believe it, but us shouting and yelling on these forums about how much we love a certain theme doesn't mean that's what the Lego fan base in general wants or would support.  Vocal minority, silent majority is the case. 

    catwrangler
  • thedoctor46thedoctor46 UKMember Posts: 157
    I have to say I was dead set against this when I first saw it but I'm more and more starting to see the appeal. It's not something I'm ever likely to purchase but I can see myself liking it given time.
  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 North CarolinaMember Posts: 1,128
    Does it transform into a Decepticon??????
    catwrangler
  • CM4SCM4S United StatesMember Posts: 1,108
    The giant 4000 pixel images are up on S@H

    https://shop.lego.com/en-US/Silent-Mary-71042

    No box.. oddly enough. I really wanna see the box. If I find it I'll share.
    CircleKcatwranglerAllBrickSeanTheCollectorstlux
  • madejp86madejp86 IllinoisMember Posts: 161
    I just noticed that Jack still has the Black Pearl in the bottle
  • SMCSMC UKMember Posts: 1,120
    Very odd that we don't have the box and for that matter an official press release with all the information on like price, part count and so on. So where are the sharks, are they a surprise which is why we haven't seen them or the box or did something go wrong and they had to remove them and redo the box?
    Dedgecko
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Seattle, WAMember Posts: 798
    I wonder why the two main masts have trailer hitches on them:



    Unknown play lay feature or simply some extra greebling?
    catwranglerbobabricks
  • DedgeckoDedgecko Seattle, WAMember Posts: 798

    madejp86 said:
    I just noticed that Jack still has the Black Pearl in the bottle
    It's a jab at the fans who wanted a re-release of TBP ;)
    Poochy
  • MynattMynatt OH/NYMember Posts: 456
    While I cannot say that I see this ship as something I would buy, I think its a really cool representation of the ghost ship. I am curious about the play feature of the front of the ship rising up with the tipping mast. Wonder if we are going to get a designer video as well to get an overview. 

    At the same time, the Imperial Flagship set the bar really high but I think having this ship not to far from it would look cool in a display.
  • ggfileggfile CanadaMember Posts: 14
    For everyone who is saying "I'll wait until it is 50% off", d2c sets NEVER go for 50% off.  My bet, there is only a limited quantity of these and when they are gone, they are *gone*.  Just like 70810 Metalbeard Sea Cow, or 76023 The Tumbler.  These too were limited run d2c, and they sold out within a couple of months only.  Now, both these sets are worth a small fortune!
    catwrangler
  • zwalk1839zwalk1839 Member Posts: 18
    It looks like a giant mess of a ship in a good way. Looks to represent the ship in the movie pretty good. Lotta critics on here...How many generic looking pirate ships do you need on the shelf? I'd much rather see some historical ships and real life modern vessels than all the licensed make believe stuff that's being offered from Potc. 
  • PatsyWalkerPatsyWalker TorontoMember Posts: 70
    edited February 22
    Let's see if I can catch up with the thread.

    Liked the first film, second was alright but the sort of hollow lead-in/sequelbait I hate about my industry, and the third was spectacle that dragged yet wowed me for the 3 hours I had buttered popcorn and air conditioning and I haven't seen since. I enjoyed the fourth film for keeping it as simple as the first. I like pirates, I like fantasy, boom.

    I missed the prior sets as I was not drawn back into LEGO just then, and I kick myself every day if only because I want that Penelope Cruz minifig.

    That laid out, for everyone who has wondered "Who would want this set?" "Who would pay full price?" "I can't imagine anyone displaying this...", I am the one you may persecute. Prosecute. Crucify.

    Keelhaul and quarter me and make me walk the plank. I want it!

    It's a ghost pirate ship! LEGO Pirates and Castles were my domain in the late 80s, and I was the right age and apt pupil and model child to weasel every set I could. I did miss the first PotC offerings, but I'm not going to look this gift in the mouth.

    Ghost. Pirate ship! So cool! And it has a unique design for one. It looks creepy in the trailers and it looks about as good as I could hope a LEGO recreation to get. I know nothing about the new film except there's more ghost pirates and this ship writhes and thrashes like a sandworm on Arrakis.

    Sure, the stands do look dumb, but I just prop these things on shelves around my office and rotate one on my desk to play with. I can live with the stands.

    I'd buy this even if it was just a generic Pirate set. Look at those minifigs!

    The pirate with the ghost bottom from the CMF Banshee (Correct me, I'm sure it predates that) is inspired, and the guy with the clear leg looks neat. And the few with the clear heads and face printing. That's such a cool design.

    And then Karina actually looks like actress Kaya Scodelario. At first I thought "Eh, it's just a generic female", but on closer inspection they captured Kaya's trademark rogueish smirk and spattered the face with freckles. To me, it looks like Kaya, and that's another cool thing, because...well, because I'm odd, and I like to collect minifigs of actors and actresses because, come on, when did I ever think I'd have a ScarJo or Felicity Jones LEGO minifig? Never!

    I apologize to all the Pirate purists in this thread. I am saddened we didn't get another line and another shot at other ships. I am not saddened that if we got one, this is the set that was fit to print. I am beyond excited for it and even rebudgeted my fun money for this (sorry, real life social life).

    Oh, and one other thing sucks aside from those stands for it -

    Where did the zombie shark go? I know I saw that leaked.


    LegogramAllBrickGlacierfalls265bandit778catwranglerAddicted2OxygenMegtheCat
  • YodaliciousYodalicious DagobahMember Posts: 1,263
    Looking at it closer, I like the design, but can't decide if I actually want to own the set. I get what it represents and that is a broken down ship essentially, but I almost want to get it and restore it to its original glory.
    CircleK
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,315
    edited February 22
    Keelhaul and quarter me and make me walk the plank. I want it!
    Ok, I selflessly volunteer myself for this.
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 375
    Dedgecko said:
    I wonder why the two main masts have trailer hitches on them:



    Unknown play lay feature or simply some extra greebling?
    Probably neither—I imagine they just needed a 2x2 square plate with a Technic axle hole through the center so that they could attach something to the top of that box piece, and the trailer hitch is one of the only parts that is suitable for that purpose.
    binaryeyeAanchirDedgecko
  • AyliffeAyliffe the UK innit?Member Posts: 252
    Does it transform into a Decepticon??????
    ...and now I wanna purchase this set just so I can mod it into a Decepticon. Thanks internet.
    catwranglerSumoLegoDedgecko
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,307
    ^Be careful;  the internet can be deceiving. 
    Ayliffegmonkey76AllBrickSumoLego
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,860
    ggfile said:
    For everyone who is saying "I'll wait until it is 50% off", d2c sets NEVER go for 50% off.  My bet, there is only a limited quantity of these and when they are gone, they are *gone*.  Just like 70810 Metalbeard Sea Cow, or 76023 The Tumbler.  These too were limited run d2c, and they sold out within a couple of months only.  Now, both these sets are worth a small fortune!
    Sea Cow: RRP $250, current BL 6 month average $250.

    Availability online at S@H: March 2014 - Oct 2015.

    I wouldn't say that it sold out in a couple of months, or that it was worth a fortune now.

    Tumber: available for over a year, gone from $200 RRP to about $250 BL 6 month ave. SO some increase, but only 25%. Plus it is Batman. That is the story here, it is Batman, not that it was a limited D2C set.

    CircleK
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,731
    ggfile said:
    For everyone who is saying "I'll wait until it is 50% off", d2c sets NEVER go for 50% off.
    It's very rare and extremely unlikely at this point in time, but "never" is too absolute. The example always trotted out is the UCS B-Wing, which was available from LEGO at 50% off for a very limited time in the US. I'm sure there are examples from before that, as well.
    pharmjod
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,782
    Yep, Sea Cow & Tumbler are too pretty average after market performers...
  • sonsofscevasonsofsceva 1904 World's FairMember Posts: 504
    It looks like the ship in the movie trailers. The fronts lifts and opens to slam other ships, like in the trailers. It is a ghost ship if there ever was one, all bones yet still sailing. I think Bessa did a superb job compared to the movie stills.

    I won't judge the set without seeing the movie or the set personally. But I am curious why there is not even one other set piece from the whole movie. Then again, Ant-Man and Dr. Strange only rated one set per film also. I guess I wonder how they decide this question.
  • LostInTranslationLostInTranslation UKMember Posts: 5,146
    edited February 22
    ^ possibly the number of key/big name characters? If you can include the three or four main characters in one set, who are you going to put in the other smaller sets and not have too much overlap?
    Lone Ranger suffered from this, practically every set had both him and Tonto. The minor characters might be interesting but I'm guessing they won't sell sets. And in an IP based line, the characters will be the main draw unless the vehicle or building is totally iconic. 

    Kerredougts
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,315
    @Pitfall69 - I feel that was aimed at me. Don't worry, I am.
    SumoLego
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,307
    AllBrick said:
    @Pitfall69 - I feel that was aimed at me. Don't worry, I am.
    No..No. "Decepticon"   "deceiving"  There's definitely not more than meets the eye here ;)
    SumoLegoAllBrick
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 7,837
    edited February 22
    ^ And knowing is half the battle.
    AllBrickpreveregmonkey76Pitfall69catwranglerMAGNINOMINISUMBRAGlacierfalls265Penkid11
  • VortexVortex Pakistan/USMember Posts: 342
    Alright to each his respectfully own .
    Myself, from the bottom and lower angles .. I see a mashup, a centipede with Capn Rex's AT-TE legs .
    I'm not entirely convinced with the top either.  I think a hull could have been added and it'd  still retain the eerie ghost ship look.
    Missed a trick  
    Glacierfalls265
  • CaptainRogersCaptainRogers Greensboro, NCMember Posts: 356
    ggfile said:
    For everyone who is saying "I'll wait until it is 50% off", d2c sets NEVER go for 50% off.  My bet, there is only a limited quantity of these and when they are gone, they are *gone*.  Just like 70810 Metalbeard Sea Cow, or 76023 The Tumbler.  These too were limited run d2c, and they sold out within a couple of months only.  Now, both these sets are worth a small fortune!
    Never go 50% off? Cause I totally picked up the Ninjago Temple of Airjitzu for $99 at the Lego store in DisneyLand. Pretty sure that's half off.
    SumoLegopharmjodGlacierfalls265
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