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LEGO fight Against Chinese counterfeit LEGO

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  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 6011 MILES from Bora BoraMember Posts: 1,015
    edited March 2
    mldj77 said:
    ^ @Legopassion8 ;That's from Demolition Man. 
    I know. I got it wrong on purpose..Gasps!


  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,198
    edited March 2
    This is a Bathero....


    I would choose this over the BatHero tut / tat.
    TheOriginalSimonBSwitchfoot55ricecake
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,174
    ^No...That is Bath Hero ;)
    LobotpharmjodVorpalRyu
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,198
    Yes, but his name is Bathero.

    Bathero the Bath Hero. 
    VorpalRyu
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,174
    ^Stop it! You are confusing me. My Gungan brain can only process.so much.
    AllBrickVorpalRyu
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,174
    Hahaha. It comes with a free Bat Hero Bath Toy ;)
    AllBrickpharmjodSprinkleOtterVorpalRyu
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 232
    edited March 3
    Well, that building does look somewhat like a man's private parts anyway (it can even shoot off some stuff *rolleyes*), so the escort girls association seems kind of fitting... ;-)
    VorpalRyu
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,198
    DadsAFOL said:
    Saw this on another thread.  When Chinese translation goes horribly wrong...
    As
    Let me Google search Super Escort Girls.............................( . )( . )
    legomentalTomo776SprinkleOtterVorpalRyu
  • MaffyDMaffyD HuddersfieldMember Posts: 1,315
    Surely this should be on Reddit? Hang on...
    VorpalRyu
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,198
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 6,570
  • MaffyDMaffyD HuddersfieldMember Posts: 1,315
    No, it's not. Bizarrely. Or at least, I couldn't see it - and I'm not doing a Google search!
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 6,570
    I have one (hyphenated) word: Ass Canons.

    (Or Butt Sabers, as the case may be.)
    Switchfoot55catwranglerSprinkleOtterstluxVorpalRyuPitfall69
  • Switchfoot55Switchfoot55 Washington, USAMember Posts: 284
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,023
    I won't allow either in mine.
    Switchfoot55SumoLegoVorpalRyuPitfall69ImABrickManNow
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 6,570
    I suppose it depends on what you eat.

    Wait, what are we talking about?

    Nevermind, let's all move along from this strange depiction of wheelie-handed faux figures with posterior projectiles.
    VorpalRyuPitfall69
  • nhyonenhyone Member Posts: 92
    I suspect Lepin picked Escort for its "guard" meaning and thought it sounded exotic.

    They will rename it once they get some feedback. :-) Just like Star Wnrs. :-D
    Pitfall69
  • Muftak1Muftak1 Somewhere cold, probably rainingMember Posts: 100
    Assuming this is another MOC theft

  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,148
    Just saw that on ebay yesterday- the real deal, that is.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia, BulgariaMember Posts: 3,542
    The directions for that thing are probably a nightmare to follow.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,023
    Got my fake Lester. The hands are way off colour, but easily replaceable. Not bad for 58p, when there is no way I would pay the going rate for the genuine article (especially as I want to use it), or £20 for a custom one printed on genuine lego. I think I'll keep the torso only and replace the rest of the parts with genuine lego.

  • Muftak1Muftak1 Somewhere cold, probably rainingMember Posts: 100
    The directions for that thing are probably a nightmare to follow.
    At 6,125 pieces I don't doubt it.
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 140
    I'm still waiting for my SUPER ESCORT GIRLS to arrive. ;)
  • masterX244masterX244 GermanyMember Posts: 346
    Muftak1 said:
    The directions for that thing are probably a nightmare to follow.
    At 6,125 pieces I don't doubt it.
    Original (if its anio/polo one) got 5400 pieces, and only one spot at the back with the thrusters is a spot where you can fubar up slightly when you confuzzle holed plates and hole-less plates. (first hand experience since i made that SNAFU when building mine, (real deal from the real source))
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,023
    Muftak1 said:
    Assuming this is another MOC theft

    I cannot read the chinese characters, but does it say it is made from PVC?
  • blogzillyblogzilly Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 529
  • Switchfoot55Switchfoot55 Washington, USAMember Posts: 284
    CCC said:
    Muftak1 said:
    Assuming this is another MOC theft

    I cannot read the chinese characters, but does it say it is made from PVC?
    My Chinese is a little rusty, but I think that stands for "Partially Vulcanized Carrots"? Or "Cats"...It's definitely one of those...
  • MAGNINOMINISUMBRAMAGNINOMINISUMBRA Member Posts: 322
    Pieces. Very. Counterfeit.
    AanchirlegomentalstluxSumoLegoLyichirAllBrickYodalicious
  • legomentallegomental UkMember Posts: 274
    Pieces. Very. Counterfeit.
    Pieces very crumbly too most probably.  
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 1,987
    Pieces. Very. Counterfeit.
    Pieces very crumbly too most probably.  
    From what I've read that's a problem with some LEGO bricks, not the knock offs.
    Switchfoot55datsunrobbienkx1MAGNINOMINISUMBRA
  • eggsheneggshen Middleton, WIMember Posts: 335
    PVC = Probably Very Counterfeit
  • legomentallegomental UkMember Posts: 274
    pharmjod said:
    Pieces. Very. Counterfeit.
    Pieces very crumbly too most probably.  
    From what I've read that's a problem with some LEGO bricks, not the knock offs.
    We don't really know yet as the counterfeits haven't been around long enough to stand the test of time. Not sure I'll risk it thanks.  At least I can contact lego customer service if needed 
  • GremerGremer The Commonwealth of VirginiaMember Posts: 67
    edited March 22
    Huh, they changed from "Star Wnrs" to "Star Plan". 
  • EvilTwinEvilTwin UKMember Posts: 56
    Is that star destroyer a rip off of the one in this video?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nksDqIhl74

  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 699
    edited March 23

    Is it technically accurate to classify Lepin as counterfeit Lego?


    A Google search indicates that the primary definition of counterfeit is: "made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud"


    Based on the above, it is probably not accurate to classify Lepin as counterfeit (as the thread title states or implies). There are many bricks (Mega Bloks, etc) that are made in the exact imitation of Lego, insofar as the interlocking brick design. It's commonly accepted that Mega Bloks are not counterfeit Lego.  The only questionable aspect, therefore, it whether or not Lepin is intending on deceiving or defrauding people. I don't think they are. I think they are up front that their product is Lepin, but they do appear to infringe on Lego's designs and box art.


    So while I understand that Lepin is viewed as undesirable by many here, I think don't think it's appropriate to falsely accuse the company of producing counterfeit product (based on the commonly accepted definition of counterfeit). It might be more accurate to state that they are infringing on Lego's designs, but that is clearly separate from counterfeiting.


    Lastly, I'm not trying to be an apologist for Lepin. But I do think it's relevant to accurately classify what Lepin is doing, and it's probably not counterfeiting.

    Reccedatsunrobbiedougts
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Sofia, BulgariaMember Posts: 3,542
    edited March 23
    ^dude. The main product lepin delivers is straight rip offs of Lego designs. Lepin green grocer, lepin town hall etc. Now they are ripping off fan mocs like this Republic Star Wars model. They have never ever had an original thought when it comes to the designs they sell. All ripped off, all counterfeit. 

    Mega bloks makes their own models, even has unique parts they have made. Not similar to lepin at all.
    legomentalstluxmasterX244Muftak1SprinkleOtterGlacierfalls265AllBrick
  • masterX244masterX244 GermanyMember Posts: 346
    EvilTwin said:
    Is that star destroyer a rip off of the one in this video?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nksDqIhl74

    high chance for a yes there. some minor "cheat-tweaks" to avoid tiles though. the nose and the republic insignia (sidways laid in a gap of the hull plating) is a obvious indicator, other greebling is also very obvious... maybe they messed around with the hull->support-structure connection but thats not visible on the pic. (references based on memory of the real build)
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 2,262
    I'd agree that they are counterfeit from the point of view of the license infringements (when is a millenium falcon not a millenium falcon?) and artwork.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 3,743 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 10,174
    nkx1 said:

    Is it technically accurate to classify Lepin as counterfeit Lego?


    A Google search indicates that the primary definition of counterfeit is: "made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud"


    Based on the above, it is probably not accurate to classify Lepin as counterfeit (as the thread title states or implies). There are many bricks (Mega Bloks, etc) that are made in the exact imitation of Lego, insofar as the interlocking brick design. It's commonly accepted that Mega Bloks are not counterfeit Lego.  The only questionable aspect, therefore, it whether or not Lepin is intending on deceiving or defrauding people. I don't think they are. I think they are up front that their product is Lepin, but they do appear to infringe on Lego's designs and box art.


    So while I understand that Lepin is viewed as undesirable by many here, I think don't think it's appropriate to falsely accuse the company of producing counterfeit product (based on the commonly accepted definition of counterfeit). It might be more accurate to state that they are infringing on Lego's designs, but that is clearly separate from counterfeiting.


    Lastly, I'm not trying to be an apologist for Lepin. But I do think it's relevant to accurately classify what Lepin is doing, and it's probably not counterfeiting.

    Let's look at this from the minifigure standpoint. Is a Lepin Darth Vader minifigure a counterfeit item? Lepin didn't pay to use that IP (Star Wars/ Darth Vader). Also, the minifigure is trademarked by Lego. Lepin is producing that particular minifigure illegally. Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,023
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
  • masterX244masterX244 GermanyMember Posts: 346
    CCC said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
    But after one step of soneone unknown mixing it up the separation isnt as easy, and someone not knowing the difference might also mislabel it.
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 608
    CCC said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
    But after one step of soneone unknown mixing it up the separation isnt as easy, and someone not knowing the difference might also mislabel it.
    And somebody might buy sugar and resell it as cocaine to someone not knowing the difference. Does that make the sugar manufacturer guilty of making counterfeit cocaine?
    nkx1Jern92
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 14,023
    CCC said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
    But after one step of soneone unknown mixing it up the separation isnt as easy, and someone not knowing the difference might also mislabel it.
    It is still a different thing. The Lepin stuff is not claiming to be LEGO, in this case it is the ignorance of the seller. The "good" thing about Lepin and the other fakers / copycats is that they don't claim to be lego, so it is fairly easy to check if they are genuine lego.
  • masterX244masterX244 GermanyMember Posts: 346
    CCC said:
    CCC said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
    But after one step of soneone unknown mixing it up the separation isnt as easy, and someone not knowing the difference might also mislabel it.
    It is still a different thing. The Lepin stuff is not claiming to be LEGO, in this case it is the ignorance of the seller. The "good" thing about Lepin and the other fakers / copycats is that they don't claim to be lego, so it is fairly easy to check if they are genuine lego.
    only easy to check on those parts with studs or other large enough surfaces for a marking. some common parts got no suitable surface for quick scanning so still ways to get that snuck in. afaik technic beams got that issue but not 100% sure on that atm.
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,101
    I'm not at all convinced that Lepin branding is not deceptive just because they spell their brand names differently. Their logos and brands are unmistakably designed to resemble their more legitimate counterparts, and an average buyer who had no prior knowledge of Lepin might understandably think they were a legitimate subsidiary of LEGO. Even more so if they don't read English and identify logos more by their shape than by their text. Imagine you were looking at a Japanese "Pocket Monsters" logo and a look-alike logo that was spelled differently. Unless you could read Japanese, how would you know which was legitimate?

    Even actual AFOLs have occasionally succumbed to the belief that Lepin is secretly owned and manufactured by LEGO in some sort of off-the-books arrangement to control the East Asian building toys market. It's hard, then, to argue that somebody who knows little about LEGO should know with certainty that LEGO and Lepin, with their near-identical branding, are separate, competing companies.
    VorpalRyuLyichir
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 608
    CCC said:
    CCC said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Question: If you bought a used Star Wars Lego set and got a few Lepin "Star Wrns" with the set; would you be mad and demand your money back?
    I think that is something different, because in that case you'd be expecting LEGO but getting Lepin. If something is advertised as Lepin, then it is less wrong. Still wrong, but you know it is not LEGO when purchasing. Lepin are not claiming to be LEGO, they are "just" stealing their designs.
    But after one step of soneone unknown mixing it up the separation isnt as easy, and someone not knowing the difference might also mislabel it.
    It is still a different thing. The Lepin stuff is not claiming to be LEGO, in this case it is the ignorance of the seller. The "good" thing about Lepin and the other fakers / copycats is that they don't claim to be lego, so it is fairly easy to check if they are genuine lego.
    only easy to check on those parts with studs or other large enough surfaces for a marking. some common parts got no suitable surface for quick scanning so still ways to get that snuck in. afaik technic beams got that issue but not 100% sure on that atm.
    Again, you're talking about problems identifying second-hand parts, which is going to be an ongoing issue as long as there are multiple companies making compatible toys.

    I'm the only one in my house that sees a difference between brands of building blocks. I am acutely aware of the problems that mixing brands can cause, mainly because of subtle differences in the 2x4 Duplo, Mega, and K'Nex bricks. They are all pretty close, but off by enough to cause frustration for my grandson when he was building with them, so they are kept separated. They all get played with, because those other brands make some stuff that Lego does not make, and my grandson likes Minions, Sesame Street, and Thomas and Friends.

    Not being a total heretic, I do try to remove all the non-Lego parts from my second-hand purchases and keep them separate, but I throw all the "other" into a bin until positively identified. I've had to go digging back through that bin on multiple occasions, after discovering that a piece like #48203 actually IS a Lego piece, despite my earlier attempt and failure at identifying it. 
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 699
    edited March 23
    ^dude. The main product lepin delivers is straight rip offs of Lego designs. Lepin green grocer, lepin town hall etc. Now they are ripping off fan mocs like this Republic Star Wars model. They have never ever had an original thought when it comes to the designs they sell. All ripped off, all counterfeit. 

    Mega bloks makes their own models, even has unique parts they have made. Not similar to lepin at all.


    I don't believe I stated or implied that Lepin did not rip off Lego or MOC designs. Clearly, Lepin model designs are identical or extremely similar to genuine Lego. But they still aren't counterfeit, since they don't claim or pretend to be genuine Lego.

    I can see the argument that others make regarding the similar box design (Lepin boxes looks like Lego boxes). To me, however, that's sort of a buyer beware issue similar to U.S. Polo Association clothing looking very similar to Ralph Lauren Polo clothing.

    I was also wondering, for any legal experts: are Lego-designed models copyrighted or otherwise legally protected? Even in China? The more I think about it (especially after reading about U.S. Polo Association vs Ralph Lauren Polo), the more I wonder if any meaningful change will occur even if Lego prevails in court. For instance, maybe all that will change is that Lepin makes a few insignificant changes to their models and/or box art, but will be otherwise permitted to continue business as usual.

  • Switchfoot55Switchfoot55 Washington, USAMember Posts: 284
    ...I heard Lepin is only going to include female figures in their sets now. Sort of a "Women of Lepin" series...
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